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	<title>Comments on: Nationalized Health Care, Down Syndrome, and Abortion</title>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-4779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For my response, please see this post: http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/12/29/responding-unanswerable-comment/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my response, please see this post: <a href="http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/12/29/responding-unanswerable-comment/" rel="nofollow">http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/12/29/responding-unanswerable-comment/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-4770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will human stupidity know no bounds?
YOU chose to have a disabled baby. 
YOU chose to not have an abortion
YOU decided to raise it. 

Now you expect insurance to pay for your mistakes? 
Why should everyone bbe burdened by your decision? If insurance pays for all the disabled child needs, then that means everyone else has to pay a higher insurance rate to offset the costs.

Would u be ok for an insurance company to pay for physical therapy on a guy who was constantly jumping and falling flat on his back even AFTER he was warned by doctors that it is very unhealhy? 

Case closed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will human stupidity know no bounds?<br />
YOU chose to have a disabled baby.<br />
YOU chose to not have an abortion<br />
YOU decided to raise it. </p>
<p>Now you expect insurance to pay for your mistakes?<br />
Why should everyone bbe burdened by your decision? If insurance pays for all the disabled child needs, then that means everyone else has to pay a higher insurance rate to offset the costs.</p>
<p>Would u be ok for an insurance company to pay for physical therapy on a guy who was constantly jumping and falling flat on his back even AFTER he was warned by doctors that it is very unhealhy? </p>
<p>Case closed</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you a 100%!  I recently lost my health insurance.  I have a 9 year old daughter with down syndrome and she is being denied insurance coverage.  One company even put in writing &quot;because of her down syndrome.&quot;  I was not aware that down syndrome was a disease.  She might have one extra chromosome but she can read, ride a bike, beat mario on her Nintendo ds just like every other kid.  I look at her and I just want to cry.  Not because she has down syndrome but because of the awesome person she is!.  Happy tears!  She doesn&#039;t deserve this discrimmination and neither does any other child!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you a 100%!  I recently lost my health insurance.  I have a 9 year old daughter with down syndrome and she is being denied insurance coverage.  One company even put in writing &#8220;because of her down syndrome.&#8221;  I was not aware that down syndrome was a disease.  She might have one extra chromosome but she can read, ride a bike, beat mario on her Nintendo ds just like every other kid.  I look at her and I just want to cry.  Not because she has down syndrome but because of the awesome person she is!.  Happy tears!  She doesn&#8217;t deserve this discrimmination and neither does any other child!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After I wrote this post, my mom asked me, if families have to pay the total cost of therapies, where insurance companies don&#039;t, what exactly that amounts to. Well, here is a portion of that picture, based on the statement we got in the mail yesterday. Insurance approved ONE 1-hour diagnostic speech therapy visit for Julianna this summer. The therapist&#039;s company billed insurance a total of $500. Yes, I said FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. The insurance company approved FIFTY. Now, I don&#039;t know that this is the total picture, but as far as I&#039;m concerned, this raises an awful lot of questions about the state of the health care industry--if insurers will pay fifty dollars for a service that the family would pay five hundred for. Or do companies bill ridiculous amounts, knowing they&#039;ll get only a sliver? Do they have separate billing rates for families, then, or would we pay them $500 an hour? No matter how you look at it, this is SCREWED UP. If someone knows more than I do about this, I would love to be educated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I wrote this post, my mom asked me, if families have to pay the total cost of therapies, where insurance companies don&#8217;t, what exactly that amounts to. Well, here is a portion of that picture, based on the statement we got in the mail yesterday. Insurance approved ONE 1-hour diagnostic speech therapy visit for Julianna this summer. The therapist&#8217;s company billed insurance a total of $500. Yes, I said FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. The insurance company approved FIFTY. Now, I don&#8217;t know that this is the total picture, but as far as I&#8217;m concerned, this raises an awful lot of questions about the state of the health care industry&#8211;if insurers will pay fifty dollars for a service that the family would pay five hundred for. Or do companies bill ridiculous amounts, knowing they&#8217;ll get only a sliver? Do they have separate billing rates for families, then, or would we pay them $500 an hour? No matter how you look at it, this is SCREWED UP. If someone knows more than I do about this, I would love to be educated.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Though, I confess it&#039;s getting harder and harder to find candidates that even seem worthy of office.&quot;

AMEN, sister, you said it there!

I&#039;ve always considered myself to be very conservative. When I wrote this post I began thinking I was more liberal than I had believed. Until I met a guy the next day whose words &amp; attitudes made it clear to me that I am still VERY conservative. LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Though, I confess it&#8217;s getting harder and harder to find candidates that even seem worthy of office.&#8221;</p>
<p>AMEN, sister, you said it there!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always considered myself to be very conservative. When I wrote this post I began thinking I was more liberal than I had believed. Until I met a guy the next day whose words &amp; attitudes made it clear to me that I am still VERY conservative. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: duke1959</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duke1959]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then we have those T.V. ads with Andy Griffith touting Obamacare and the American Taxpayers are paying for them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we have those T.V. ads with Andy Griffith touting Obamacare and the American Taxpayers are paying for them!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with you in this reply. We both want to address the same things, better care for families of special need children, overall healthcare, and reducing or abolishing abortions. We just disagree with how to get there. Myself and many others I know want the same things, but cannot support a system we believe will not bring us closer to those goals, but in fact put us under more control of our government.

I also agree about not voting single issue.  There are many who do use the pro-life, or pro-choice, as a tool to get elected and like you said, pro-lifers in office aren&#039;t accomplishing anything. I won&#039;t vote for anyone just because they are pro-life, but in good conscience cannot vote for anyone who is pro-choice because I am passionate about the right to life for unborn children. These children are brutally murdered and anyone who can support this, touts their stance as pro-choice to earn votes, will not have my vote.  

I am politically frustrated with our country. I consider myself a conservative, not a republican, and vote accordingly.  Though, I confess it&#039;s getting harder and harder to find candidates that even seem worthy of office. I think this speaks to the overall spiritual and moral decay of our society.

I hope we can both see the ideals we hold come to pass, in a way that will be good for our country and not ultimately detrimental to individual freedom. I think we are wanting the same things. I think many Americans, liberal and conservative, have many common goals, but again, we disagree on how to accomplish them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with you in this reply. We both want to address the same things, better care for families of special need children, overall healthcare, and reducing or abolishing abortions. We just disagree with how to get there. Myself and many others I know want the same things, but cannot support a system we believe will not bring us closer to those goals, but in fact put us under more control of our government.</p>
<p>I also agree about not voting single issue.  There are many who do use the pro-life, or pro-choice, as a tool to get elected and like you said, pro-lifers in office aren&#8217;t accomplishing anything. I won&#8217;t vote for anyone just because they are pro-life, but in good conscience cannot vote for anyone who is pro-choice because I am passionate about the right to life for unborn children. These children are brutally murdered and anyone who can support this, touts their stance as pro-choice to earn votes, will not have my vote.  </p>
<p>I am politically frustrated with our country. I consider myself a conservative, not a republican, and vote accordingly.  Though, I confess it&#8217;s getting harder and harder to find candidates that even seem worthy of office. I think this speaks to the overall spiritual and moral decay of our society.</p>
<p>I hope we can both see the ideals we hold come to pass, in a way that will be good for our country and not ultimately detrimental to individual freedom. I think we are wanting the same things. I think many Americans, liberal and conservative, have many common goals, but again, we disagree on how to accomplish them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of things to think about--some of which I didn&#039;t know, so thank you. My point about laws following hearts and minds is that right now there is tremendous resistance to prolife legislation, b/c of the abortion-as-backup-to-failed-birth control mentality. If we change hearts and minds, we actually have a prayer of passing abortion legislation.

My problem with the argument you use here--voting &quot;single issue&quot;--is that I haven&#039;t seen anyone DO anything. Lots of people try to get my vote based on the prolife issue, but once they&#039;re in office, they do nothing about it. Because they can&#039;t--because of cultural resistance, as I said above. Why should I vote single-issue prolife when they&#039;re not doing anything anyway?

Finally, as to &quot;selfish&quot;--my family is really lucky to live in a county where local government supports people with disabilities. So it&#039;s not really me that needs this, anyway. We have other avenues; I just think it&#039;s reprehensible that we should have to use them. What about all the other kids like my daughter who aren&#039;t so lucky? To be truly prolife, you have to give people the support they need to raise children--whether they have DS or autism or CP or are completely &quot;normal.&quot;  Otherwise, how can you be horrified when they choose to abort?

I acknowledge the high termination rate in Europe--but I think it&#039;s the same here. I don&#039;t mean to belittle the abortion issue--it is trmendously important to me. All I&#039;m saying is, this issue is incredibly complex and cannot be painted in bald black &amp; white terms. And abortion exists because we have a contraceptive mentality in this culture. As long as that continues, abortion will remain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of things to think about&#8211;some of which I didn&#8217;t know, so thank you. My point about laws following hearts and minds is that right now there is tremendous resistance to prolife legislation, b/c of the abortion-as-backup-to-failed-birth control mentality. If we change hearts and minds, we actually have a prayer of passing abortion legislation.</p>
<p>My problem with the argument you use here&#8211;voting &#8220;single issue&#8221;&#8211;is that I haven&#8217;t seen anyone DO anything. Lots of people try to get my vote based on the prolife issue, but once they&#8217;re in office, they do nothing about it. Because they can&#8217;t&#8211;because of cultural resistance, as I said above. Why should I vote single-issue prolife when they&#8217;re not doing anything anyway?</p>
<p>Finally, as to &#8220;selfish&#8221;&#8211;my family is really lucky to live in a county where local government supports people with disabilities. So it&#8217;s not really me that needs this, anyway. We have other avenues; I just think it&#8217;s reprehensible that we should have to use them. What about all the other kids like my daughter who aren&#8217;t so lucky? To be truly prolife, you have to give people the support they need to raise children&#8211;whether they have DS or autism or CP or are completely &#8220;normal.&#8221;  Otherwise, how can you be horrified when they choose to abort?</p>
<p>I acknowledge the high termination rate in Europe&#8211;but I think it&#8217;s the same here. I don&#8217;t mean to belittle the abortion issue&#8211;it is trmendously important to me. All I&#8217;m saying is, this issue is incredibly complex and cannot be painted in bald black &amp; white terms. And abortion exists because we have a contraceptive mentality in this culture. As long as that continues, abortion will remain.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One other thought on the abortion topic.  You commented that we cannot break down the door for legislation against abortion, but change the hearts and minds of people and the laws will follow. One way for the laws to follow, is to vote into office those with the hearts and minds against abortion, who will not support bills that pay for abortion. I cannot support any politician or legislation that violates my belief in the right to life for unborn babies...no matter what other good may seem to come from that.  It&#039;s very selfish to say, I can overlook the abortion issue and try to win the hearts and minds of those I meet, as long as MY child receives the care he/she needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought on the abortion topic.  You commented that we cannot break down the door for legislation against abortion, but change the hearts and minds of people and the laws will follow. One way for the laws to follow, is to vote into office those with the hearts and minds against abortion, who will not support bills that pay for abortion. I cannot support any politician or legislation that violates my belief in the right to life for unborn babies&#8230;no matter what other good may seem to come from that.  It&#8217;s very selfish to say, I can overlook the abortion issue and try to win the hearts and minds of those I meet, as long as MY child receives the care he/she needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://kathleenbasi.com/2010/07/27/nationalized-health-care-down-syndrome-and-abortion/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t claim to know a lot about universal healthcare in all countries, but I did live in Germany for three years and received care in German hospitals. What a lot of people don&#039;t realize is that they still have private insurance. The wealthy elite can afford it and still receive care from doctors and hospitals that will only serve those that are privately insured. There is a significant difference in the standard of care received as well. In addition to this, to pay for the socialized government programs, families that we would consider middle class were paying up to 50% in income tax, not to mention sales tax.  Those families paid so much in taxes that they couldn&#039;t afford insurance and had to use the government programs.

In government programs your care is directed by your physician, not by the patient.  As a parent, you are not entitled to make simple decisions such as which vaccines you want your child to receive or not. You will vaccinate or risk losing your child to the government.  We won&#039;t even get into the lack of freedom in education parent&#039;s face, as I&#039;m focusing on healthcare, but it&#039;s outrageous how much you and your children belong to the system.

As far as children, with disabilities, etc., most of those children are aborted in European countries.  Because they are pressured to not have children that need to receive ongoing care, thus costing the government more money.  Those people are a burden to the system and can be denied care if they choose to have a child with a known condition before birth.  I recently read an article on a newborn needing care in Canada and the government was refusing to pay for care for a child that they basically said just needed to die. Do we think our country will be above this? It will come down to cost and what&#039;s best for the society as a whole, not the individual families. 

Thought I&#039;d share some other points to think about before supporting government run healthcare.  I think we need better healthcare in this country. I would support price caps on care, because often doctors do price gouge those that are sick. We need benefits and incentives for doctors and healthcare workers who will volunteer part of their time at clinics for those who cannot afford care, etc. There are many ways to develop plans to help reduce costs and cover those in our communities who cannot afford it. You know, there are many hospitals that have programs people can donate to which cover the bills for low income people who qualify. How many people who support socialized medicine have ever check into what they can personally do to help those in their own communities?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t claim to know a lot about universal healthcare in all countries, but I did live in Germany for three years and received care in German hospitals. What a lot of people don&#8217;t realize is that they still have private insurance. The wealthy elite can afford it and still receive care from doctors and hospitals that will only serve those that are privately insured. There is a significant difference in the standard of care received as well. In addition to this, to pay for the socialized government programs, families that we would consider middle class were paying up to 50% in income tax, not to mention sales tax.  Those families paid so much in taxes that they couldn&#8217;t afford insurance and had to use the government programs.</p>
<p>In government programs your care is directed by your physician, not by the patient.  As a parent, you are not entitled to make simple decisions such as which vaccines you want your child to receive or not. You will vaccinate or risk losing your child to the government.  We won&#8217;t even get into the lack of freedom in education parent&#8217;s face, as I&#8217;m focusing on healthcare, but it&#8217;s outrageous how much you and your children belong to the system.</p>
<p>As far as children, with disabilities, etc., most of those children are aborted in European countries.  Because they are pressured to not have children that need to receive ongoing care, thus costing the government more money.  Those people are a burden to the system and can be denied care if they choose to have a child with a known condition before birth.  I recently read an article on a newborn needing care in Canada and the government was refusing to pay for care for a child that they basically said just needed to die. Do we think our country will be above this? It will come down to cost and what&#8217;s best for the society as a whole, not the individual families. </p>
<p>Thought I&#8217;d share some other points to think about before supporting government run healthcare.  I think we need better healthcare in this country. I would support price caps on care, because often doctors do price gouge those that are sick. We need benefits and incentives for doctors and healthcare workers who will volunteer part of their time at clinics for those who cannot afford care, etc. There are many ways to develop plans to help reduce costs and cover those in our communities who cannot afford it. You know, there are many hospitals that have programs people can donate to which cover the bills for low income people who qualify. How many people who support socialized medicine have ever check into what they can personally do to help those in their own communities?</p>
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